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		<title>By: Alexandra Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexandra Bruce</dc:creator>
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		<description>A 2012 financial prediction made in 1941&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;About the Elliott Wave Principle&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The father of the Wave Principle was born on July 28, 1871. Some 65 years later, Ralph Nelson Elliott discovered the fractal nature of the financial markets: He called his discovery the Wave Principle. Like a masterpiece from the hand of a Renaissance artist, Elliott&#039;s work had to wait for a later generation to understand and appreciate it. Now millions of investors and traders around the world recognize or use Elliott&#039;s method to analyze financial markets.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the late 1930s and early &#039;40s, Elliott&#039;s forecasts were not widely known or accepted. Even today the Wave Principle has skeptics. But Elliott&#039;s track record speaks for itself. The accountant turned technical analyst is responsible for one of the greatest documented stock market forecasts of all time, when in August 1941 he boldly predicted a continuous expansion -- consisting of drawbacks but no major depressions -- through the 1940s &quot;until about 2012.&quot; Investors have already witnessed the early impact of the monumental trend change Elliott anticipated, yet the bulk of his bear market forecast still lies ahead.</description>
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<p>About the Elliott Wave Principle</p>
<p>The father of the Wave Principle was born on July 28, 1871. Some 65 years later, Ralph Nelson Elliott discovered the fractal nature of the financial markets: He called his discovery the Wave Principle. Like a masterpiece from the hand of a Renaissance artist, Elliott&#39;s work had to wait for a later generation to understand and appreciate it. Now millions of investors and traders around the world recognize or use Elliott&#39;s method to analyze financial markets.</p>
<p>In the late 1930s and early &#39;40s, Elliott&#39;s forecasts were not widely known or accepted. Even today the Wave Principle has skeptics. But Elliott&#39;s track record speaks for itself. The accountant turned technical analyst is responsible for one of the greatest documented stock market forecasts of all time, when in August 1941 he boldly predicted a continuous expansion &#8212; consisting of drawbacks but no major depressions &#8212; through the 1940s &#8220;until about 2012.&#8221; Investors have already witnessed the early impact of the monumental trend change Elliott anticipated, yet the bulk of his bear market forecast still lies ahead.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandra Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexandra Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 01:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen to Elaine Smitha&#039;s interview with me on her show &quot;Evolving Minds&quot; this past Tuesday in the archive posted for July 20:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.progressiveradionetwork.com/evolving-ideas/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.progressiveradionetwork.com/evolving...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen to Elaine Smitha&#39;s interview with me on her show &#8220;Evolving Minds&#8221; this past Tuesday in the archive posted for July 20:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.progressiveradionetwork.com/evolving-ideas/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.progressiveradionetwork.com/evolving.." rel="nofollow">http://www.progressiveradionetwork.com/evolving..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: alexandrabruce</title>
		<link>http://www.2012sos.net/the-book/comment-page-1/#comment-181</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 15:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw! Thank you so much, Daniel! That&#039;s the only reward I receive for having written it and I appreciate being appreciated! If you don&#039;t mind posting your review when you&#039;re done reading on Amazon, that&#039;d be great. Some Jersey A-hole just completely torpedoed this book of mine and screwed up my ratings. Feel free to engage with me or ask questions here. All the best –– Chica</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw! Thank you so much, Daniel! That&#39;s the only reward I receive for having written it and I appreciate being appreciated! If you don&#39;t mind posting your review when you&#39;re done reading on Amazon, that&#39;d be great. Some Jersey A-hole just completely torpedoed this book of mine and screwed up my ratings. Feel free to engage with me or ask questions here. All the best –– Chica</p>
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		<title>By: DanieJ</title>
		<link>http://www.2012sos.net/the-book/comment-page-1/#comment-180</link>
		<dc:creator>DanieJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 08:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just bought this book on Amazon Kindle for PC.  I&#039;ve only just arrived at the 3rd chapter and I have to say something.  This is the best book I&#039;ve read on 2012 to date.  I haven&#039;t even gotten into the middle but have all ready been given lots of information that I&#039;ve never heard on some History Channel special or read from the several other 2012 books I&#039;ve read.  I want to thank you all for making this book.  I&#039;m getting some relevant knowledge about this topic that is very easy to follow.  At last!  I was beginning to get very bored with the whole 2012 area because it has been too hard to find information that I can understand but is also neutral so I don&#039;t feel I&#039;m being pushed into the believing whatever the author believes.  Its nice to be treated like a thinking adult to have all the info and decide for ones self.  I all ready love this book!  I will definitely have to read this book over and over because for once I&#039;m not just getting the same old watered down facts.  I&#039;m actually gettng some intellectual food for thought and that is AWESOME.  Plus I&#039;ve finally found a book on 2012 that deserves to be reccomended to my friends when they ask me about which books are worth their time! When it comes to 2012 there aren&#039;t many!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just bought this book on Amazon Kindle for PC.  I&#39;ve only just arrived at the 3rd chapter and I have to say something.  This is the best book I&#39;ve read on 2012 to date.  I haven&#39;t even gotten into the middle but have all ready been given lots of information that I&#39;ve never heard on some History Channel special or read from the several other 2012 books I&#39;ve read.  I want to thank you all for making this book.  I&#39;m getting some relevant knowledge about this topic that is very easy to follow.  At last!  I was beginning to get very bored with the whole 2012 area because it has been too hard to find information that I can understand but is also neutral so I don&#39;t feel I&#39;m being pushed into the believing whatever the author believes.  Its nice to be treated like a thinking adult to have all the info and decide for ones self.  I all ready love this book!  I will definitely have to read this book over and over because for once I&#39;m not just getting the same old watered down facts.  I&#39;m actually gettng some intellectual food for thought and that is AWESOME.  Plus I&#39;ve finally found a book on 2012 that deserves to be reccomended to my friends when they ask me about which books are worth their time! When it comes to 2012 there aren&#39;t many!</p>
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		<title>By: alexandrabruce</title>
		<link>http://www.2012sos.net/the-book/comment-page-1/#comment-156</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For you or anyone who wants a signed copy of my book, please contact me on:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:intuit7@yahoo.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;intuit7@yahoo.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best regards and thanks, again –&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Alexandra</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For you or anyone who wants a signed copy of my book, please contact me on:</p>
<p><a href="mailto:intuit7@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow">intuit7@yahoo.com</a></p>
<p>Best regards and thanks, again –</p>
<p>Alexandra</p>
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		<title>By: chazzone</title>
		<link>http://www.2012sos.net/the-book/comment-page-1/#comment-145</link>
		<dc:creator>chazzone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experience is mainly in relation to the pagan/New Age movement, and many festivals over more than 20 years, along with my own guided &quot;Spirit Quests&quot;, primarily using psilocybin.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At the festivals, many rituals are planned and performed by people who show no real understanding of the metaphysical ramifications of their actions including the potential for manifestation of the entities involved, or the effects on the participants.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One example of the former was at a gathering of &quot;elder&quot; pagans who chose to &quot;marry&quot; Lazuli (the primary Voodoun goddess) to Herne (a neo-Wiccan Celtic earth god).  What resulted was a massive thunderstorm with winds in excess of 70 mph, torrential rains, and the destruction of local crops and significant damage to trees and property.  Even though I openly questioned the wisdom of this forced union, I was assured that those in charge &quot;knew what they were doing&quot;, and besides &quot;what harm could it do?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, we got our answer.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As to the latter, I have witnessed individuals who have participated in group ritual that was designed to reconnect the participants to their &quot;primal self&quot;, or re-enact the &quot;wild hunt&quot;.  Many times, this resulted in individuals who had near psychotic episodes that required extended periods of &quot;talking down&#039; to even allow these people to not be a danger to themselves.  Some individuals were so unhinged, that they were simply required to leave the festival grounds before they harmed themselves or others.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To me, this was the height of irresponsibility by those who chose to conduct the rituals, and I believe that they really didn&#039;t expect any such reaction to occur, or if it did, they were only too happy to blame it on the one who suffered the results.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You see, to many in the Pagan/New Age movement, this is all a game or way to make a living.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We had a particularly clear example of this recently where a New Age guru allowed many of his charges to die while undergoing a sweat lodge.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the other hand, when ever I would do a &quot;Spirit Quest&quot;, I would only allow those that I felt were psychologically sound enough to participate.  I am the guide, and I am responsible for the safety of those who trust me to guide them.  I would prepare the sacrament in &quot;sacred space&quot;, and work with the spirits to prepare for the passage of my group into the other world.  I never took my &quot;eye&quot; off those for whom I was in charge, and all returned safely.  We talked about the experiences we shared, and in some cases, we have been years in discussion and discovery.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have never had anyone have a &quot;bad trip&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is what all traditional shaman do.  In fact, this is the job of the shaman, and has been for many thousands of years.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What would be if our world was different?  That&#039;s kind of an irrelevant question, but we know that traditional people treat this subject with the same reverence that I adhere to, for the plain and simple fact that not all people can handle losing their tenuous grip on this reality, regardless of where they come from or what century.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In fact, I&#039;d even go so far as to say that our society is far less violent than at any time in our history, regardless of, or maybe because of video games, movies, or literature, for that matter.  It has been my experience that these serve as outlets for our primal instincts, and can be a very positive aspect of some individuals lives.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Life is violent.  nature is especially violent, and everywhere we look in the cosmos, we see violence and destruction as the norm.  Humans are simply another expression of this.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To deny violence is to deny the very essence of life.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Those that I find to be truly powerless in the world today, are those who would deny our nature, and our place in the web of life, and these people are primarily those brainwashed by the Green/New Age movements who have no real connection to the Earth or the spirits that they claim to call.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These are the &quot;urban pagans&quot; who want to find a &quot;connection to the land&quot;, and lecture us country folk who grew up growing and killing our own food.  Their heads are filled with the fairy tales of those like Graves, Gimbutas, and other pseudo-scholars who had a particular perspective that they wanted to promote.  They created their myths out of whole cloth, and depended on the ignorance of others and preyed on their need to find the sacred.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the other hand, there is a reason that religion evolved.  Most people are sheep that require guidance.  Most people do live in fear of the world, and their own inadequacies.  This is why we developed civilization, and seem to have to find large groups to &quot;belong to&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You simply can&#039;t take the average human and throw them out into the universe to fend for themselves.  Many would die of fear and shock long before exposure, dehydration, or starvation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So that brings us back to McKenna, and his observations on shaman, and our role in the human condition.  We are the gate keepers, although this has recently been co-opted by governments, there is a very good reason for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience is mainly in relation to the pagan/New Age movement, and many festivals over more than 20 years, along with my own guided &#8220;Spirit Quests&#8221;, primarily using psilocybin.</p>
<p>At the festivals, many rituals are planned and performed by people who show no real understanding of the metaphysical ramifications of their actions including the potential for manifestation of the entities involved, or the effects on the participants.</p>
<p>One example of the former was at a gathering of &#8220;elder&#8221; pagans who chose to &#8220;marry&#8221; Lazuli (the primary Voodoun goddess) to Herne (a neo-Wiccan Celtic earth god).  What resulted was a massive thunderstorm with winds in excess of 70 mph, torrential rains, and the destruction of local crops and significant damage to trees and property.  Even though I openly questioned the wisdom of this forced union, I was assured that those in charge &#8220;knew what they were doing&#8221;, and besides &#8220;what harm could it do?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, we got our answer.</p>
<p>As to the latter, I have witnessed individuals who have participated in group ritual that was designed to reconnect the participants to their &#8220;primal self&#8221;, or re-enact the &#8220;wild hunt&#8221;.  Many times, this resulted in individuals who had near psychotic episodes that required extended periods of &#8220;talking down&#39; to even allow these people to not be a danger to themselves.  Some individuals were so unhinged, that they were simply required to leave the festival grounds before they harmed themselves or others.</p>
<p>To me, this was the height of irresponsibility by those who chose to conduct the rituals, and I believe that they really didn&#39;t expect any such reaction to occur, or if it did, they were only too happy to blame it on the one who suffered the results.</p>
<p>You see, to many in the Pagan/New Age movement, this is all a game or way to make a living.</p>
<p>We had a particularly clear example of this recently where a New Age guru allowed many of his charges to die while undergoing a sweat lodge.</p>
<p>On the other hand, when ever I would do a &#8220;Spirit Quest&#8221;, I would only allow those that I felt were psychologically sound enough to participate.  I am the guide, and I am responsible for the safety of those who trust me to guide them.  I would prepare the sacrament in &#8220;sacred space&#8221;, and work with the spirits to prepare for the passage of my group into the other world.  I never took my &#8220;eye&#8221; off those for whom I was in charge, and all returned safely.  We talked about the experiences we shared, and in some cases, we have been years in discussion and discovery.</p>
<p>I have never had anyone have a &#8220;bad trip&#8221;.</p>
<p>This is what all traditional shaman do.  In fact, this is the job of the shaman, and has been for many thousands of years.</p>
<p>What would be if our world was different?  That&#39;s kind of an irrelevant question, but we know that traditional people treat this subject with the same reverence that I adhere to, for the plain and simple fact that not all people can handle losing their tenuous grip on this reality, regardless of where they come from or what century.</p>
<p>In fact, I&#39;d even go so far as to say that our society is far less violent than at any time in our history, regardless of, or maybe because of video games, movies, or literature, for that matter.  It has been my experience that these serve as outlets for our primal instincts, and can be a very positive aspect of some individuals lives.</p>
<p>Life is violent.  nature is especially violent, and everywhere we look in the cosmos, we see violence and destruction as the norm.  Humans are simply another expression of this.</p>
<p>To deny violence is to deny the very essence of life.</p>
<p>Those that I find to be truly powerless in the world today, are those who would deny our nature, and our place in the web of life, and these people are primarily those brainwashed by the Green/New Age movements who have no real connection to the Earth or the spirits that they claim to call.</p>
<p>These are the &#8220;urban pagans&#8221; who want to find a &#8220;connection to the land&#8221;, and lecture us country folk who grew up growing and killing our own food.  Their heads are filled with the fairy tales of those like Graves, Gimbutas, and other pseudo-scholars who had a particular perspective that they wanted to promote.  They created their myths out of whole cloth, and depended on the ignorance of others and preyed on their need to find the sacred.</p>
<p>On the other hand, there is a reason that religion evolved.  Most people are sheep that require guidance.  Most people do live in fear of the world, and their own inadequacies.  This is why we developed civilization, and seem to have to find large groups to &#8220;belong to&#8221;.</p>
<p>You simply can&#39;t take the average human and throw them out into the universe to fend for themselves.  Many would die of fear and shock long before exposure, dehydration, or starvation.</p>
<p>So that brings us back to McKenna, and his observations on shaman, and our role in the human condition.  We are the gate keepers, although this has recently been co-opted by governments, there is a very good reason for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandra Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexandra Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Belief is a hustle. Creation is creation. Science is at its best when it doesn&#039;t get into the belief business.</description>
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		<title>By: Alexandra Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexandra Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! Thanks, again for your thoughts, Chazzone. I certainly do NOT endorse mass hallucinogen use, especially after the decades of violent films and video games that have conditioned masses of people to equate psychopathic behavior with &quot;heroic.&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What if our cultural values and &quot;what sells&quot; were different from what they are, currently?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Some of my earliest memories in my life are of seeing wild-eyed, barefoot &quot;flower children&quot; who were NYU students, nearby where I grew up and went to kindergarten in Greenwich Village. So, I guess you could say that I already saw what you described and it was pretty scary, as my head was still about 3 feet off the ground and the masses of filthy feet were literally in my face.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve also seen mass ecstasy, like the annual Carnaval in Rio de Janeiro and it&#039;s not bad, at all. It&#039;s absolutely splendid, actually –– but it comes with the culture. I don&#039;t think the Taliban could &quot;go there,&quot; but *could* such unbridled creativity and lust for life become more mainstream than being relegated only to Rio de Janeiro and Brazil? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The dominant cultuer would have to shift drastically in order for that to be so.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think the current zeitgeist is a mass hallucination of powerlessness and defeat, induced by a fundamental sense of disconnection; by the dissociative quality of the dominant, post-industrial cultures, themselves. The pressure is going to be released somehow. These statements stray from the kind of scientific rigor that I usually bring to what I write but they are a true reflection of what I&#039;ve observed, growing up in several countries and speaking several languages... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;More of McKenna&#039;s &quot;History Ends in Green&quot; talk at Esalen, in 1990:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;It is forbidden to know the depth and breadth of human consciousness. We’re supposed to live in a narrow canyon...walled-in between &#039;awake&#039; and &#039;asleep&#039; and anything else is considered pathological. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;We make a little place for artists, as long as they don’t get too uppity or obscene and otherwise, it’s all closed off. Well...breaking through this is the recapturing of the birthright, that I’ve been talking about.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheers, Chazzone!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Alexandra</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Thanks, again for your thoughts, Chazzone. I certainly do NOT endorse mass hallucinogen use, especially after the decades of violent films and video games that have conditioned masses of people to equate psychopathic behavior with &#8220;heroic.&#8221; </p>
<p>What if our cultural values and &#8220;what sells&#8221; were different from what they are, currently?</p>
<p>Some of my earliest memories in my life are of seeing wild-eyed, barefoot &#8220;flower children&#8221; who were NYU students, nearby where I grew up and went to kindergarten in Greenwich Village. So, I guess you could say that I already saw what you described and it was pretty scary, as my head was still about 3 feet off the ground and the masses of filthy feet were literally in my face.</p>
<p>I&#39;ve also seen mass ecstasy, like the annual Carnaval in Rio de Janeiro and it&#39;s not bad, at all. It&#39;s absolutely splendid, actually –– but it comes with the culture. I don&#39;t think the Taliban could &#8220;go there,&#8221; but *could* such unbridled creativity and lust for life become more mainstream than being relegated only to Rio de Janeiro and Brazil? </p>
<p>The dominant cultuer would have to shift drastically in order for that to be so.</p>
<p>I think the current zeitgeist is a mass hallucination of powerlessness and defeat, induced by a fundamental sense of disconnection; by the dissociative quality of the dominant, post-industrial cultures, themselves. The pressure is going to be released somehow. These statements stray from the kind of scientific rigor that I usually bring to what I write but they are a true reflection of what I&#39;ve observed, growing up in several countries and speaking several languages&#8230; </p>
<p>More of McKenna&#39;s &#8220;History Ends in Green&#8221; talk at Esalen, in 1990:</p>
<p>&#8220;It is forbidden to know the depth and breadth of human consciousness. We’re supposed to live in a narrow canyon&#8230;walled-in between &#39;awake&#39; and &#39;asleep&#39; and anything else is considered pathological. </p>
<p>&#8220;We make a little place for artists, as long as they don’t get too uppity or obscene and otherwise, it’s all closed off. Well&#8230;breaking through this is the recapturing of the birthright, that I’ve been talking about.&#8221;</p>
<p>Cheers, Chazzone!</p>
<p>Alexandra</p>
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		<title>By: chazzone</title>
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		<dc:creator>chazzone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reply, although I have to admit that I had to go back and reread the original to remind myself of the context.&lt;br&gt;As one who has explored this paradigm for more than 40 years, I&#039;d like to remind that Graves really has no evidence to support his ideas, rather they are the result of a general zeitgeist surrounding the Gaia Hypothesis.&lt;br&gt;We know that for the vast majority of human existence, we lived in widely dispersed groups that may or may not have had any contact what so ever with individuals outside their geographic range.&lt;br&gt;In fact, all indigenous groups name themselves &quot;The People&quot; in their own language, which clearly shows that they thought of themselves as separate and the only &quot;real&quot; people, and other people were viewed as somehow fundamentally less or different.&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m talking about over the last 200,000 years, not just the last 8-10k that most people consider when discussing human history.&lt;br&gt;Indeed, we are discovering that Homo moved out of Africa as long as 2 millions bce, and colonized Asia and the southwest Pacific archipelago.&lt;br&gt;So, clearly, there has not been a &quot;shared&quot; language, other than the physical cues that most of our species shares.  Interestingly, until recently, these physical cues have been recognized as universal, but recent studies in Africa show that some populations there don&#039;t even share these.&lt;br&gt;To the point of hallucinogens, as I pointed out to McKenna, we do not find extant examples of random hallucinogen use in indigenous peoples, rather we see a ritualized, shaman guided practice that is carried out under specific situations.&lt;br&gt;The reason is clear to anyone who has experience with hallucinogen use, and across the broader population.  Indeed the even spontaneous ecstatic experience can be extremely problematic in the general population, and nearly always requires the assistance of someone who is experienced in non-normal states to help to transition the individual successfully back into society.&lt;br&gt;Unfortunately today, that job is being taken on by &quot;mental health&quot; professionals who, by and large discount the existence or validity of the non-normal state, or the knowledge and insight that can be gained.&lt;br&gt;i shudder to think the result of mass hallucinogen use, or even a mass ecstatic experience, as I&#039;m sure it would result in the complete collapse of society and the deaths of millions.&lt;br&gt;Once again, thanks for your response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply, although I have to admit that I had to go back and reread the original to remind myself of the context.<br />As one who has explored this paradigm for more than 40 years, I&#39;d like to remind that Graves really has no evidence to support his ideas, rather they are the result of a general zeitgeist surrounding the Gaia Hypothesis.<br />We know that for the vast majority of human existence, we lived in widely dispersed groups that may or may not have had any contact what so ever with individuals outside their geographic range.<br />In fact, all indigenous groups name themselves &#8220;The People&#8221; in their own language, which clearly shows that they thought of themselves as separate and the only &#8220;real&#8221; people, and other people were viewed as somehow fundamentally less or different.<br />I&#39;m talking about over the last 200,000 years, not just the last 8-10k that most people consider when discussing human history.<br />Indeed, we are discovering that Homo moved out of Africa as long as 2 millions bce, and colonized Asia and the southwest Pacific archipelago.<br />So, clearly, there has not been a &#8220;shared&#8221; language, other than the physical cues that most of our species shares.  Interestingly, until recently, these physical cues have been recognized as universal, but recent studies in Africa show that some populations there don&#39;t even share these.<br />To the point of hallucinogens, as I pointed out to McKenna, we do not find extant examples of random hallucinogen use in indigenous peoples, rather we see a ritualized, shaman guided practice that is carried out under specific situations.<br />The reason is clear to anyone who has experience with hallucinogen use, and across the broader population.  Indeed the even spontaneous ecstatic experience can be extremely problematic in the general population, and nearly always requires the assistance of someone who is experienced in non-normal states to help to transition the individual successfully back into society.<br />Unfortunately today, that job is being taken on by &#8220;mental health&#8221; professionals who, by and large discount the existence or validity of the non-normal state, or the knowledge and insight that can be gained.<br />i shudder to think the result of mass hallucinogen use, or even a mass ecstatic experience, as I&#39;m sure it would result in the complete collapse of society and the deaths of millions.<br />Once again, thanks for your response.</p>
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		<title>By: chazzone</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reply, although I have to admit that I had to go back and reread the original to remind myself of the context.&lt;br&gt;As one who has explored this paradigm for more than 40 years, I&#039;d like to remind that Graves really has no evidence to support his ideas, rather they are the result of a general zeitgeist surrounding the Gaia Hypothesis.&lt;br&gt;We know that for the vast majority of human existence, we lived in widely dispersed groups that may or may not have had any contact what so ever with individuals outside their geographic range.&lt;br&gt;In fact, all indigenous groups name themselves &quot;The People&quot; in their own language, which clearly shows that they thought of themselves as separate and the only &quot;real&quot; people, and other people were viewed as somehow fundamentally less or different.&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m talking about over the last 200,000 years, not just the last 8-10k that most people consider when discussing human history.&lt;br&gt;Indeed, we are discovering that Homo moved out of Africa as long as 2 millions bce, and colonized Asia and the southwest Pacific archipelago.&lt;br&gt;So, clearly, there has not been a &quot;shared&quot; language, other than the physical cues that most of our species shares.  Interestingly, until recently, these physical cues have been recognized as universal, but recent studies in Africa show that some populations there don&#039;t even share these.&lt;br&gt;To the point of hallucinogens, as I pointed out to McKenna, we do not find extant examples of random hallucinogen use in indigenous peoples, rather we see a ritualized, shaman guided practice that is carried out under specific situations.&lt;br&gt;The reason is clear to anyone who has experience with hallucinogen use, and across the broader population.  Indeed the even spontaneous ecstatic experience can be extremely problematic in the general population, and nearly always requires the assistance of someone who is experienced in non-normal states to help to transition the individual successfully back into society.&lt;br&gt;Unfortunately today, that job is being taken on by &quot;mental health&quot; professionals who, by and large discount the existence or validity of the non-normal state, or the knowledge and insight that can be gained.&lt;br&gt;i shudder to think the result of mass hallucinogen use, or even a mass ecstatic experience, as I&#039;m sure it would result in the complete collapse of society and the deaths of millions.&lt;br&gt;Once again, thanks for your response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply, although I have to admit that I had to go back and reread the original to remind myself of the context.<br />As one who has explored this paradigm for more than 40 years, I&#39;d like to remind that Graves really has no evidence to support his ideas, rather they are the result of a general zeitgeist surrounding the Gaia Hypothesis.<br />We know that for the vast majority of human existence, we lived in widely dispersed groups that may or may not have had any contact what so ever with individuals outside their geographic range.<br />In fact, all indigenous groups name themselves &#8220;The People&#8221; in their own language, which clearly shows that they thought of themselves as separate and the only &#8220;real&#8221; people, and other people were viewed as somehow fundamentally less or different.<br />I&#39;m talking about over the last 200,000 years, not just the last 8-10k that most people consider when discussing human history.<br />Indeed, we are discovering that Homo moved out of Africa as long as 2 millions bce, and colonized Asia and the southwest Pacific archipelago.<br />So, clearly, there has not been a &#8220;shared&#8221; language, other than the physical cues that most of our species shares.  Interestingly, until recently, these physical cues have been recognized as universal, but recent studies in Africa show that some populations there don&#39;t even share these.<br />To the point of hallucinogens, as I pointed out to McKenna, we do not find extant examples of random hallucinogen use in indigenous peoples, rather we see a ritualized, shaman guided practice that is carried out under specific situations.<br />The reason is clear to anyone who has experience with hallucinogen use, and across the broader population.  Indeed the even spontaneous ecstatic experience can be extremely problematic in the general population, and nearly always requires the assistance of someone who is experienced in non-normal states to help to transition the individual successfully back into society.<br />Unfortunately today, that job is being taken on by &#8220;mental health&#8221; professionals who, by and large discount the existence or validity of the non-normal state, or the knowledge and insight that can be gained.<br />i shudder to think the result of mass hallucinogen use, or even a mass ecstatic experience, as I&#39;m sure it would result in the complete collapse of society and the deaths of millions.<br />Once again, thanks for your response.</p>
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